It could have been nerfed to 13-15 frames and you would have gotten the same result of making it less safe without making Bayonetta feel clunky as fuck and just being an overall horrible move.Ī 33% increase in endlag. N-Air was supposed to be the way Bayonetta could rack bullet arts on enemies, and now it went from safe to unsafe. They almost doubled the endlag on her N-Air. Okay that is an 80% increase in landing lag. The only benefit to angling her smash attacks is the fact that you get to see what Madama Butterfly’s fist looks like if she twists it the wrong way. And as for angling it? Since when has anybody complained that the fist can’t be angled. But oho 2 less frames of startup lag, wow that’s so OP. It’s hitbox is jank, priority is awful, and is only reliable for kills near the edge of the stage. For buffs they usually aren't as substantial.įorward smash has 2 less frames of startup lag and can be angled.įorward smash is, to put this delicately, the single worst move in Bayos kit. The Endlag only went up by 5 frames but every frame counts when ur talking about Nerfs. So much for being easy to follow up on an up tilt. At higher % maybe an up air, but usually nothing beyond that. You can only reliably follow up on it at low percentages. This is all fine and dandy until you realize it knocks people back too high up into the air at higher percentages and since her ladder combos are only reliable at low percentages and no longer kill even if pulled off at higher percentages. Up tilt launches enemies in a angle that makes it easy to follow up on. Either way toning it down wasn’t necessary, jab was never a problem with her. Jab connects more reliably but has less range and deals less damage.īayonetta’s jab was already a horrible aspect of her kit due to the startup lag that it had, thank god it didn’t have the startup lag nerfed. I have no idea who thought this was true because I have attempted this with all of her moves and this is not true. This is a nice buff, but Bayonetta being slow was never an issue.īullet arts can be angled depending on the move. But that being said, I do think Nintendo went overboard with the nerfs and right now Bayonetta feels incredibly clunky and useless compared to other characters.īayonetta is faster overall. Let me preface this by saying that Bayonetta was OP in smash 4 and needed toned down coming into Ultimate, and that returning her to her state in Smash 4 would be a giant mistake. I'm a former Bayo main who has settled to replace her with Palutena, but I still have around 14 hours with Bayo in ultimate and I'd like to open a discussion about her state in the game and why I think she was nerfed too much. The Pizza Guy who got annihilated by Hbox in 2016įor a full list, click here! Submit a new post: TEXT LINK All Please read the rules before posting! Filter posts: Smash 64 Melee Brawl Project M Smash 4 Ultimate Other All Art Daily Thread Pic of the Day Show Spoilers Clear Filter GimR - Slinghot tech guy, VGBC, and the Gimvitational Tipped Off 14: June 3-4 | Melee, Project+ | Marietta, GA, USAĬlick here for a more detailed list of events!Ĭosmos - Top Aegis main, champion of Shine 2022ĪMSa - Melee Yoshi who made history at The Big House 10īeyond the Summit - New Voting System Revealed! MomoCon 2023: May 26-28 | Ultimate | Atlanta, GA, USAĬrown the Third: June 3-4 | Melee, Ultimate | Orem, UT, USA Kagaribi #10: May 6-7 | Ultimate | Tokyo, Japanīattle of BC 5: May 19-21 | Melee, Ultimate | Vancouver, BC, Canada Play now wiki events watch learn Rules Local Groups FAQ Related Content Posting Guide Chatrooms Wiki Feedback.
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